So thought I would share a conversation that an interesting debate for people to read.
The following are exchanges of messages via myspace.
My contact information: BrownBuffalo@live.com
Her contact information:
Lindsay DavisThe following are exchanges of messages via myspace.
My contact information: BrownBuffalo@live.com
Her contact information:
1506 Washita
Midland, TX 79705
(listed)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=65545462
The following was the initial message which was a reposted bulletin. I had never met Ms. Davis before. But, after reading the posting I become obliged to say something about what at first may seem small to some, but part of ongoing problems in this society. So, please read and enjoy, get back to me. Or feel free to hit her up.
Thanks,
-BEN
HER BULLETIN:
-I wrote this... Lindsay Davis - it is NOT a forward! HOWEVER - please pass it on after you read it!This morning as I pulled up to my children’s daycare, Wee Care on Lamesa Rd., there were four cops with their lights on surrounding an OLDER MODEL, GOLD, FORD EXPEDITION, like a ’98-’00 model. I tried not to stare, but as I walked in I couldn’t help but hear and notice all of the parents, teachers, and daycare director all standing around watching and talking. I went ahead and took the babies in to breakfast and signed them in, but when I came out I asked Miss Helen, the director/owner what was going on. She and some other parents started to tell me that the man in that vehicle had BACKED in and parked, and that he was alone… no children to take into the daycare, and that this was the SECOND time he’d been thereTHE FIRST TIME, recently, he was backed in, and as a mother and her child walked by – he called her over to the vehicle as he was masturbating. She called the police that day and that’s how he was noticed so fast todayHE CAME BACK TO THE SAME DAYCARE!!!Today, the cops had him in handcuffs and his back was to me, but I tried to look as hard as I could. He was a YOUNG man, mid-twenties, dark skin… I couldn’t tell if he was black or Mexican. He has a mustache and a ball cap, a striped, collared shirt, and jeans.I know, I know… like most of the younger guys around here!All I could think about was – what if I’d forgotten something in my car and sent my 7 year old out there to grab it for me as I signed the babies into their classes?!?! What if he would have called her over to his vehicle?!?! I know Brennen… and she would have just trusted him and walked over.I am not sure that man would be prepared for the storm that I would have brought him, had that happenedANYWAY – This is just a message to all my friends with children in daycares around Midland… Be aware of your surroundings! If you see this guy backed into a parking space at your daycare, CALL THE POLICE… this was NOT his first rodeo, today.Please pass this on to all the mommas that take their kids to daycares in the morning
The following are the messages that followed:
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.................Date: May 29, 2008 11:17 PM
(I copied the above and sent it with this) Read this lately? Came across it, thought I would ask -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 30, 2008 9:02 AM
Yeah - that happened at my daycare Tuesday morning, this week. I wrote it. :)
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.............Date: May 30, 2008 9:58 AM
Sounds, like something people should know about. But, should probably be dealt with a bit differently, criminal prosecution and sex offender laws seem the most logical way to go. Loosely identifying dark skin Hispanic & Black males, probably less advisable. Just thought I would mention that. -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 30, 2008 1:02 PM
FIRST OF ALL, I saw the man with MY OWN EYES, and HE WAS a DARK SKINNED HISPANIC or a LIGHT SKINNED BLACK MALE. His back was to me. They had him in handcuffs, therefore - it WAS being handled in a matter that was correct and just. I WAS JUST PASSING THE WORD ALONG to ANY unsuspecting woman - to be aware of the vehicle and circumstances. It was on the news Tuesday evening and the Midland Reporter Telegram even contacted me.I CANNOT BELIEVE that you would make this about race. You don't even know me..... I am the farthest from ignorant that you could come across. If the dude would have been white - I would have been JUST AS QUICK to alert my friends. My email was NOT derogatory, but quite informative.Thanks for your time.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN........Date: May 30, 2008 12:57 PM
Be aware of a man that is already (according to you) in our criminal justice system? Then if there is justice as one might consider that the case from your representation, what then is there to be aware of? If guilty he no longer be a threat as before. I should expect a white female from Midland, Texas to so easily shrug off her unconscious bigotry she perpetuates. No worries, for everyone that stands within your frame of thought, there are exponentially growing numbers in mine.-BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 30, 2008 2:14 PM
You are ABSURD. I was simply passing on the information of the MAN THAT DID THIS. It wasn't hearsay, I saw him with my own eyes. There was NOTHING racial about this. Just as ANY newspaper, news show, or anything of that nature, the description of the suspect is just that - HIS DESCRIPTION. I wasn't passing any judgement.NOW, I'm glad that you brought your most recent point to my attention, as you would NOT know that this man HAS done this before HERE in Midland. He prayed on a woman in her neighborhood for TWO hours before he pulled up next to her, exposed himself, and as she tried to run away, almost hit her with his vehicle. He got away, but they found him later that evening and arrested him. He got five years probation for that little stunt.THIS VERY WOMAN contacted me yesterday to ask for more information since I was there and she was not, as she did not want to pursue the matter if it was the wrong man. She plans on contacting the DA and JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED to that worthless, scum bag for violating his probation. He was in the same exact vehicle. What a genius. It sickens me that you would take such a sensitive subject to women with children and try to make it a racial debate. I don't care if the man was white, brown, black, or yellow. He sat at MY CHILDREN'S CHILD CARE ESTABLISHMENT and waited to expose himself to a woman with child in tow. YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT that I will pass on an informative "HEY, look out for this guy" type email/bulletin/message. I want you to know that I plan on posting this in a blog. I guarantee you that I am not the only one who would do this and your ignorant accusations are a waste of your time.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.....Date: May 30, 2008 6:22 PM
I am glad that u take an active role as a citizen within your community. A trait that is increasingly becoming the anomaly within our society. I never said that you were spreading hearsay, or false information. I did not down play that the darkest realms of hell are for child molesters or that we must stand against sex offenders in general. My thoughts about your bulletin were for your failure on your presentation. "An idle older model Gold Ford expedition" would have probably been enough of an explanation for parents to take note of. As you have noted, he likes to use the same vehicle any way. I know it may be difficult to distinguish us minorities from one another, black or brown, we're similar, but you did not even take note his height. Such a notable trait among the many, easily seen from someone's back. This was then followed by your light hearted sentence, "I know, I know… like most of the younger guys around here." Yes, he may have done something previously and now with your help you will help to grant him the justice he deserves. What then was the gravity of your posting? I originally wrote you as a simple note, of the potential harm loosely identifying people in general can do. Since, then, you have done little to allay my thoughts, instead quite the opposite. I find it intriguing to believe that you fail to see your own falsehoods in your stance. I am wondering if the local media will work with you to do a reenactment of what happened; and if so will they use a hispanic or black male? Or possibly simply just a white man with blackface? -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 31, 2008 8:47 AM
I hope that you are following my blog, as I am finished arguing such an ignorant subject with you.
(this can be seen here: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=65545462&blogID=400980402)
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.....
Damn, you really burnt me now didn’t you? The commentary from your comrades was a devastating blow. How could I not see the untainted wholesomeness of your contributions to society?Now with your ego stroked by people who fail to see basic logic, you can walk around town knowing how wonderful of a person you truly are. I only hope that in that daycare your children go to that they are not being saturated by similar ideologies. With time there may be an epiphany in your life that will allow you to see the negative extent that even positive intentions may have. But, in the end the cause justifies the means, right?Take care. PS. Webster’s dictionary definition of ignorance: lack of knowledge, education, or awareness. It is a commonly misused word; you may want to pass that on.
On a side note, her friend messaged me during the debate above and we had a shorter conversation that might add some more humor to your day;
Her contact information: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=9378092
The convo:
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Soon to be Mrs......... Seif! ..Date: May 30, 2008 3:42 PM
Thank you for the good laugh. Your email really reminded me of the ignorance out there! There is no way you graduated college. I feel sorry for you...........
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.........Date: May 30, 2008 5:42 PM
Ignorance, yes and all white females from Midland Texas shall surely enlighten me with the truth. Thank God that your people have always been there to spread the correct morals and justice for all humanity. -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Soon to be Mrs..... Seif! ..Date: May 30, 2008 7:29 PM
I am not from Midland Texas, thank you. I am from Los Angeles. There are many assholes like you there. You should be happy that people like us are here to put people like you in their place.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..B.....Date: May 30, 2008 10:07 PM There are many asshole like me in LA? Awwww yes, that's right East LA, and people like you, you must mean settlers like William Mulholland (if that name ain't familiar with the name look it up). I am glad to see that at least my primitive brain will now be able to see that light since people like you are here to put me in my place; or is that in the dark?
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Soon to be Mrs.Seif! ..Date: May 31, 2008 8:01 AM
Are you okay? Do you need help? I am thinking you have problems. So I will leave you alone.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.....
Always a pleasure. take care,
-BEN
------------>Feel free to add to the thread, any thoughts?
I didn't even realize until just earlier, that I gave her Ms. Davis too much credit, she never said Hispanic, but "dark skin… I couldn’t tell if he was black or Mexican." Its people like this that are ignorant (see the irony?), there are many types of Latinos, Hispanics, ect...
Midland, TX 79705
(listed)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=65545462
The following was the initial message which was a reposted bulletin. I had never met Ms. Davis before. But, after reading the posting I become obliged to say something about what at first may seem small to some, but part of ongoing problems in this society. So, please read and enjoy, get back to me. Or feel free to hit her up.
Thanks,
-BEN
HER BULLETIN:
-I wrote this... Lindsay Davis - it is NOT a forward! HOWEVER - please pass it on after you read it!This morning as I pulled up to my children’s daycare, Wee Care on Lamesa Rd., there were four cops with their lights on surrounding an OLDER MODEL, GOLD, FORD EXPEDITION, like a ’98-’00 model. I tried not to stare, but as I walked in I couldn’t help but hear and notice all of the parents, teachers, and daycare director all standing around watching and talking. I went ahead and took the babies in to breakfast and signed them in, but when I came out I asked Miss Helen, the director/owner what was going on. She and some other parents started to tell me that the man in that vehicle had BACKED in and parked, and that he was alone… no children to take into the daycare, and that this was the SECOND time he’d been thereTHE FIRST TIME, recently, he was backed in, and as a mother and her child walked by – he called her over to the vehicle as he was masturbating. She called the police that day and that’s how he was noticed so fast todayHE CAME BACK TO THE SAME DAYCARE!!!Today, the cops had him in handcuffs and his back was to me, but I tried to look as hard as I could. He was a YOUNG man, mid-twenties, dark skin… I couldn’t tell if he was black or Mexican. He has a mustache and a ball cap, a striped, collared shirt, and jeans.I know, I know… like most of the younger guys around here!All I could think about was – what if I’d forgotten something in my car and sent my 7 year old out there to grab it for me as I signed the babies into their classes?!?! What if he would have called her over to his vehicle?!?! I know Brennen… and she would have just trusted him and walked over.I am not sure that man would be prepared for the storm that I would have brought him, had that happenedANYWAY – This is just a message to all my friends with children in daycares around Midland… Be aware of your surroundings! If you see this guy backed into a parking space at your daycare, CALL THE POLICE… this was NOT his first rodeo, today.Please pass this on to all the mommas that take their kids to daycares in the morning
The following are the messages that followed:
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.................Date: May 29, 2008 11:17 PM
(I copied the above and sent it with this) Read this lately? Came across it, thought I would ask -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 30, 2008 9:02 AM
Yeah - that happened at my daycare Tuesday morning, this week. I wrote it. :)
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.............Date: May 30, 2008 9:58 AM
Sounds, like something people should know about. But, should probably be dealt with a bit differently, criminal prosecution and sex offender laws seem the most logical way to go. Loosely identifying dark skin Hispanic & Black males, probably less advisable. Just thought I would mention that. -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 30, 2008 1:02 PM
FIRST OF ALL, I saw the man with MY OWN EYES, and HE WAS a DARK SKINNED HISPANIC or a LIGHT SKINNED BLACK MALE. His back was to me. They had him in handcuffs, therefore - it WAS being handled in a matter that was correct and just. I WAS JUST PASSING THE WORD ALONG to ANY unsuspecting woman - to be aware of the vehicle and circumstances. It was on the news Tuesday evening and the Midland Reporter Telegram even contacted me.I CANNOT BELIEVE that you would make this about race. You don't even know me..... I am the farthest from ignorant that you could come across. If the dude would have been white - I would have been JUST AS QUICK to alert my friends. My email was NOT derogatory, but quite informative.Thanks for your time.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN........Date: May 30, 2008 12:57 PM
Be aware of a man that is already (according to you) in our criminal justice system? Then if there is justice as one might consider that the case from your representation, what then is there to be aware of? If guilty he no longer be a threat as before. I should expect a white female from Midland, Texas to so easily shrug off her unconscious bigotry she perpetuates. No worries, for everyone that stands within your frame of thought, there are exponentially growing numbers in mine.-BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 30, 2008 2:14 PM
You are ABSURD. I was simply passing on the information of the MAN THAT DID THIS. It wasn't hearsay, I saw him with my own eyes. There was NOTHING racial about this. Just as ANY newspaper, news show, or anything of that nature, the description of the suspect is just that - HIS DESCRIPTION. I wasn't passing any judgement.NOW, I'm glad that you brought your most recent point to my attention, as you would NOT know that this man HAS done this before HERE in Midland. He prayed on a woman in her neighborhood for TWO hours before he pulled up next to her, exposed himself, and as she tried to run away, almost hit her with his vehicle. He got away, but they found him later that evening and arrested him. He got five years probation for that little stunt.THIS VERY WOMAN contacted me yesterday to ask for more information since I was there and she was not, as she did not want to pursue the matter if it was the wrong man. She plans on contacting the DA and JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED to that worthless, scum bag for violating his probation. He was in the same exact vehicle. What a genius. It sickens me that you would take such a sensitive subject to women with children and try to make it a racial debate. I don't care if the man was white, brown, black, or yellow. He sat at MY CHILDREN'S CHILD CARE ESTABLISHMENT and waited to expose himself to a woman with child in tow. YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT that I will pass on an informative "HEY, look out for this guy" type email/bulletin/message. I want you to know that I plan on posting this in a blog. I guarantee you that I am not the only one who would do this and your ignorant accusations are a waste of your time.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.....Date: May 30, 2008 6:22 PM
I am glad that u take an active role as a citizen within your community. A trait that is increasingly becoming the anomaly within our society. I never said that you were spreading hearsay, or false information. I did not down play that the darkest realms of hell are for child molesters or that we must stand against sex offenders in general. My thoughts about your bulletin were for your failure on your presentation. "An idle older model Gold Ford expedition" would have probably been enough of an explanation for parents to take note of. As you have noted, he likes to use the same vehicle any way. I know it may be difficult to distinguish us minorities from one another, black or brown, we're similar, but you did not even take note his height. Such a notable trait among the many, easily seen from someone's back. This was then followed by your light hearted sentence, "I know, I know… like most of the younger guys around here." Yes, he may have done something previously and now with your help you will help to grant him the justice he deserves. What then was the gravity of your posting? I originally wrote you as a simple note, of the potential harm loosely identifying people in general can do. Since, then, you have done little to allay my thoughts, instead quite the opposite. I find it intriguing to believe that you fail to see your own falsehoods in your stance. I am wondering if the local media will work with you to do a reenactment of what happened; and if so will they use a hispanic or black male? Or possibly simply just a white man with blackface? -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Lyn-Z..Date: May 31, 2008 8:47 AM
I hope that you are following my blog, as I am finished arguing such an ignorant subject with you.
(this can be seen here: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=65545462&blogID=400980402)
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.....
Damn, you really burnt me now didn’t you? The commentary from your comrades was a devastating blow. How could I not see the untainted wholesomeness of your contributions to society?Now with your ego stroked by people who fail to see basic logic, you can walk around town knowing how wonderful of a person you truly are. I only hope that in that daycare your children go to that they are not being saturated by similar ideologies. With time there may be an epiphany in your life that will allow you to see the negative extent that even positive intentions may have. But, in the end the cause justifies the means, right?Take care. PS. Webster’s dictionary definition of ignorance: lack of knowledge, education, or awareness. It is a commonly misused word; you may want to pass that on.
On a side note, her friend messaged me during the debate above and we had a shorter conversation that might add some more humor to your day;
Her contact information: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=9378092
The convo:
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Soon to be Mrs......... Seif! ..Date: May 30, 2008 3:42 PM
Thank you for the good laugh. Your email really reminded me of the ignorance out there! There is no way you graduated college. I feel sorry for you...........
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.........Date: May 30, 2008 5:42 PM
Ignorance, yes and all white females from Midland Texas shall surely enlighten me with the truth. Thank God that your people have always been there to spread the correct morals and justice for all humanity. -BEN
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Soon to be Mrs..... Seif! ..Date: May 30, 2008 7:29 PM
I am not from Midland Texas, thank you. I am from Los Angeles. There are many assholes like you there. You should be happy that people like us are here to put people like you in their place.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..B.....Date: May 30, 2008 10:07 PM There are many asshole like me in LA? Awwww yes, that's right East LA, and people like you, you must mean settlers like William Mulholland (if that name ain't familiar with the name look it up). I am glad to see that at least my primitive brain will now be able to see that light since people like you are here to put me in my place; or is that in the dark?
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..Soon to be Mrs.Seif! ..Date: May 31, 2008 8:01 AM
Are you okay? Do you need help? I am thinking you have problems. So I will leave you alone.
----------------- Original Message -----------------From: ..BEN.....
Always a pleasure. take care,
-BEN
------------>Feel free to add to the thread, any thoughts?
I didn't even realize until just earlier, that I gave her Ms. Davis too much credit, she never said Hispanic, but "dark skin… I couldn’t tell if he was black or Mexican." Its people like this that are ignorant (see the irony?), there are many types of Latinos, Hispanics, ect...
3 comments:
Ben, with regards to my post
Are you an unconscious bigot? I have to say that I don't think they're truly the same viewpoint.
The woman apparently gave a factual description of what she saw. Your assumption that she was targeting men of color seems to be more of an assumptive reaction than an accurate reading of what she said.
That said, I think the subject is better served by adding a warning that includes ANY lone occupant of ANY color and EITHER sex who hangs out near ANY place where children of ANY age congregate.
Also cross-commenting from Miki's blog...
The throwaway sentence “I know, like most of our young men around here” is what makes the racialized description a bit peery to me, as well as her description of the individual as a man of colour based on … the sight of him being led away in handcuffs. It’s part of institutionalised racism that we tend to see more images of people of colour in cuffs than white folk, so it wouldn’t surprise me if she mis-assumed a really tan white guy (I see them all the time in California) to be “either a dark-skinned Hispanic or a light-skinned Black man.” And I’m still kind of curious about that remark about the other young men in the area - is she marking them as potential predators also? She never really seems to clarify what she means there.
While I applaud her for sending out the bulletin, her word choice does strike me as potentially harbouring the usual white racism.
But her friend's messages are racist through and through. Yeah Ben, aren't you just *so happy* there are people like her around to "put you in your place"? Egads.
Thanks Sara for your commentary, its not that I don't see her view point, its that I tried being cordial at the being. But, between the two of them it got to me. I do not appreciate that loose identification, I for one do not sit outside of daycares as Ms. Davis' posts my imply.
thanks again,
=)
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